tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post6203494228892968471..comments2023-11-03T03:52:37.873-05:00Comments on Cognitive Dissidence: Question of the Day: Who Has The Best View?Somebody DO Something!http://www.blogger.com/profile/08717747685928127724noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-38065757320178801752014-02-20T07:04:54.599-06:002014-02-20T07:04:54.599-06:00I'm not as anti-union as you like to suggest, ...I'm not as anti-union as you like to suggest, And not as pro corporate as you want to think. I am sure unions will see a comeback some day, but they to have gotten greedy and to powerful just as you suggest corporations are. Now I could go find a bunch of articles backing that up but if you just step back and look you would see, well...maybe not you, but an impartial person. Look at the membership statistics, look at the UAWs struggles down south. Theres no regulation that forced people to leave a union, only laws that gave them the choice. <br />I think that you are right in saying the unions have helped the American workers, but I contend that this whole public union thing has some serious ethics problems. They spend far to much money influencing elections only to have their interests represented on both sides of the negotiating table. You complain about the Koch brothers, but they are small players compared to the AFL-CIO in election contributions. <br />And as far as your "questionable news source" comment, luckily for all of us the days where one party can control the news are over. Fifteen years ago this whole scheme that the union and the county board cooked up here would have gone unreported, and likely would have worked to increase membership. <br />I urge you to read this article and notice how union "priorities" have changed since 1959, and the interesting opinions of public union leaders prior to then. Its no wonder we are seeing fiscal crisis in city after city these days.<br />http://www.jeffjacoby.com/8852/union-rights-that-arentImustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-25037672202286876242014-02-19T07:39:50.057-06:002014-02-19T07:39:50.057-06:00A) Just because it fits your anti-union paranoia d...A) Just because it fits your anti-union paranoia doesn't mean it's reality.<br /><br />B) You still haven't answered why it's only bothering you now and not for fifteen plus years.<br /><br />C) Um, unions are proven to help the poor and strengthen the middle class, Lack of unions have shown to hurtful to the poor and diminishing to the middle class. Now, why are you so against unions?capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-43268470262693651152014-02-19T07:30:11.321-06:002014-02-19T07:30:11.321-06:00Well, questionable news source? That's a whole...Well, questionable news source? That's a whole different discussion altogether, but that aside any thinking person can look at the facts and determine that this is solely meant to boost union membership. Conveniently sidestepping the need for a vote to join the union. It instead finds a way to strong arm the business owner to create a union shop. In fact it is smart, but it needs to be hidden under the guise of helping the working poor. Which I say is not the intention at all, so all this faux outrage here strikes me as comical, and sad.<br />Now if you deny that statement I really have to question your ability to tell the truth.<br />Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-68745193444652881832014-02-19T07:14:02.567-06:002014-02-19T07:14:02.567-06:00Nah, you don't smear people. You just make thi...Nah, you don't smear people. You just make things up and use information you know to be false to accuse people of things they didn't do because you love them sooooo much.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-92142739896795998582014-02-19T07:12:20.447-06:002014-02-19T07:12:20.447-06:00Um, you do realize that Alexander spends next to n...Um, you do realize that Alexander spends next to no time in the courthouse, right? She is not a reliable source of information, much like the "news source" which is already under investigation. Again, your point is moot by your use of questionable facts.<br /><br />But then again, the facts don't fit your fantasy that the big, bad unions are to blame for everything, so your use what you got.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-16280687750993894112014-02-18T18:25:44.293-06:002014-02-18T18:25:44.293-06:00I'm sure you spent nearly as much time researc...I'm sure you spent nearly as much time researching that statement as you do trying to come up with fantasy world hypothesis' about any news out of the john doe investigaton.<br />http://watchdog.org/123008/union-milwaukee-millions/<br />And how many times do I need to say, go ahead, raise the minimum wage. Just don't let the unions use it as a tool to get fat off the working class people. Which if you cant see that is what is happening you shouldn't say "sad little man" unless your in front of a mirror.Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-63523458454525764632014-02-18T12:44:47.618-06:002014-02-18T12:44:47.618-06:00You know, when you cant argue on the topic and win...You know, when you cant argue on the topic and win the first thing to do is smear the opponent. Way to go. I'm not the one who is angry here.Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-84123653433766428672014-02-17T12:05:10.589-06:002014-02-17T12:05:10.589-06:00But hey, IMABR knows that the Powerball is at. $30...But hey, IMABR knows that the Powerball is at. $300 million and Mega Millions is around $150 mil. Maybe, just maybe, this is the week it hits, right kiddo?<br /><br /> Oh, and don't apply at American TV for that second job you need since your real wages keep dwindling. Just a tip from OL' Jake here<br /> Jake formerly of the LPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15660401299391001751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-9153617816272514052014-02-17T07:28:23.658-06:002014-02-17T07:28:23.658-06:00The unions didn't write it. And you call me di...The unions didn't write it. And you call me dishonest? You can't even start out honest. <br /><br />But this is all you're way of trying to distract that you don't think people should earn a lousy $24K/year. You are a sad little man.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-6703356530445266072014-02-17T07:24:19.091-06:002014-02-17T07:24:19.091-06:00Ok, Nice try you two, let me spell it out for you,...Ok, Nice try you two, let me spell it out for you, since you seem to not even be able to be honest with yourselves. The union worded the legislation in order to be able to coerce more business owners into unionizing their work force. The carrot they are dangling is that they wont have to meet the living wage requirement. Now they cant come right out and tell the public that because that would draw even more disdain from the taxpayer. So instead we hear all about the poverty and the working poor. But in the end, only the union makes out as the workers don't get a raise, per the exemption in the ordinance, Their new union cannot bargain for anything but wages, so eventually it will be obamacare for them, and they get to pay dues now. <br />Yea, I'm the stupid one here right?Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-308616489100137072014-02-16T23:46:39.343-06:002014-02-16T23:46:39.343-06:00The 1 percent dangle two bright shiny toys in fron...The 1 percent dangle two bright shiny toys in front of IMBAR and his fellow wingers - racism and theocracy. And the IMBARs of this country and Wisconsin are so mesmerized by the two shiny toys that they scamper and beg and trade away their own security and the future of their children and grandchildren to play ceaselessly with their toys. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-89061391840225077102014-02-16T23:26:41.212-06:002014-02-16T23:26:41.212-06:00Not hard to be smart in Wisconsin right now (I can...Not hard to be smart in Wisconsin right now (I can't necessarily say the same for future generations, unfortunately). Maybe you just need to try harder, IMBAR. Or perhaps you were born without gifts. Regardless you seem unable to articulate an argument against a living wage for County employees and contractor employees. Nighty, night.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-63534798721402254672014-02-16T22:42:09.239-06:002014-02-16T22:42:09.239-06:00I have to confess to working with 1%-ers in my lif...I have to confess to working with 1%-ers in my lifetime. It's not pretty, and, I can tell you that they despise people like @imustbearacist. They actually *use* people like that on a daily basis with no care in the world what happens to them or to their families. And, yet, people like @imustbearacist genuflect to the wealthy, whatever their wishes might be. The wealthy actually laugh at people like @imustbearacist behind their back. @imustbearacist will never, ever be a member of that club.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-58114184910822065792014-02-16T21:30:21.964-06:002014-02-16T21:30:21.964-06:00Sorry, IMBAR, but I did indeed answer your questio...Sorry, IMBAR, but I did indeed answer your question. Several times, in fact. But you're so smart, you refuse to recognize it.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-82188859885791836282014-02-16T20:45:06.142-06:002014-02-16T20:45:06.142-06:00Interesting that you are smarter than all of the a...Interesting that you are smarter than all of the auto workers at VW. <br />I'll bet your smarter than all the care givers for the county too. In fact, with all that knowledge, maybe you can tell me what capper wont, My contention is not that the wage is to high but rather why union employers get a pass on paying the living wage? Since wage is the only thing the union can bargain for anymore why would they voluntarily start out at a lesser wage than a non union employee working for the county? Come on, own all that knowledge for once.Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-76069427999219948652014-02-16T13:52:11.575-06:002014-02-16T13:52:11.575-06:00So who are his employees in Milwaukee? So who are his employees in Milwaukee? Say What? https://www.blogger.com/profile/10542136708478530935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-36916605234708315792014-02-16T12:44:04.574-06:002014-02-16T12:44:04.574-06:00Well, I'm not from the state ranked 42nd in ed...Well, I'm not from the state ranked 42nd in education so yeah, I'm likely smarter than the average Tennessee worker at VW and certainly smarter than the group manipulated by GOP blackmail (which VW refuted) and voted against their own wage protection. How amusing you use the word "balance" when union membership has plummeted to 11.3%! Isn't that really like the MSM using the phrase "find a middleground" when one side is so far to the right, the forefathers of their party wouldn't recognize them? The only issue here is you're fighting $24,545/year for county-employed caregivers. Capper rightly points out the clause was there from the beginning and you're using it as smoke and mirrors to hold working people down. Tell us why county workers shouldn't be paid a living wage. Come on. Do it. Own your wingery. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-20714483969500456672014-02-16T12:26:16.088-06:002014-02-16T12:26:16.088-06:00Sorry to disappoint, but I agree corporate interes...Sorry to disappoint, but I agree corporate interests do involve self interests. And they need to be balanced by unions or legislation to protect workers rights. <br />Answer this, if it is a living wage your so concerned about why allow a concession in the ordinance for union employers? That's not union looking out for workers, that's unions trying to increase their size and power. And for what? so they can continue to be the single most influential force in funding election candidates?<br />There's a balance to be achieved, we just disagree where that balance point is. Oh, and one of us seems to think they are more intellectual than the other.<br />It would seem your smarter than all the VW employees also. So pat yourself on the back some more.<br />Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-79887848919886025502014-02-16T11:56:08.956-06:002014-02-16T11:56:08.956-06:00Unions may be all the things you wingers say and y...Unions may be all the things you wingers say and yet so are corporations. Both act to expand and consolidate their power. Both benefit by tax payer generosity - corporations of course receiving the larger percentage of handouts and government sanctioned oligopolies. One delivers wage protection and the other has sought to muffle wage growth since the dawn of the industrial age. ALEC and Heritage and Fox News all feed you the anti-union blather. And you parrot it to your friends, co-workers, congregants, and neighbors flushed with pleasure with your perceived position in the favor of the 1 percent (they just see you as rubes to be manipulated) and filled with your own self-righteousness. You never see that as wage protection wanes, you lose. You lose because your real wages aren't growing. Your purchasing power is in decline. And you pay a much higher portion for services our grandparents and great-grandparents demanded post WW2 - affordable, high quality healthcare, nearly free, high quality education, stable and comfortable retirement. Put down the remote, beer, gun and pizza, get off the sofa, get educated, travel abroad, move about your community, and start thinking for yourself. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-64341634870223290752014-02-16T11:30:28.761-06:002014-02-16T11:30:28.761-06:007:38 AM commenter and onward must have confused yo...7:38 AM commenter and onward must have confused your site with Breitbart, Capper. An easy thing to do if you're a moron. What's so interesting is that we are talking about $23,545/year gross. Wow. What a princely sum. Clearly these people caring for the elderly, disabled and mentally ill would be getting a sweetheart deal. <br /><br />Get real. Abele, Kapenga, Smith, Sheehy likely spend that sum each month on themselves. The county should take a good hard look at its tax deals and what the ROI is instead of continuing a system that mires so many of it's workers in poverty. And if Abele simply can't stomach what must be done to balance the budget with a living wage, then he perhaps had better just resign and let someone with experience, education and energy try. He's focused on divisive small ball instead of engineering a new vision for Milwaukee County. I emphasize "new" not recycled, tired tax payer funded handouts to businesses and the promise of bottom of the barrel wages. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-71754119956120704922014-02-16T11:19:55.296-06:002014-02-16T11:19:55.296-06:00You didn't have a problem with it for over 15 ...You didn't have a problem with it for over 15 years, so your complaint now seems rather vapid.<br /><br />And yes, it has nothing to do with the abundance of poverty or the exploitation of workers or the people they serve or the tax payers. Right.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-49234087522559674102014-02-16T11:16:16.551-06:002014-02-16T11:16:16.551-06:00I'll have to take your word on what its like t...I'll have to take your word on what its like to threaten after being knocked down.<br />I didn't say I had a problem with living wage, its the union exemption I questioned. You say give union members an option for lower wages, I say it's a ploy to increase membership and receipts of dues by strong arming companies to join the union. I say put the facts on the front page of the paper and let the people decide.<br />I contend that the minimum wage increase is only an attempt to keep pace with the inflation the feds say we don't have due to stimulus and insane federal policies. Stop printing money and we wont need an increase in minimum wage. But that doesn't serve the union agenda, does it.Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-84907568710417602252014-02-16T10:43:52.341-06:002014-02-16T10:43:52.341-06:00Even as the rest of the country isn't doing as...Even as the rest of the country isn't doing as well as one might hope, you try to gloss over the fact that Wisconsin is paling in comparison to the recovery you besmirch.<br /><br />Sort of like getting knocked to the ground by your opponent, and while lying there spitting out teeth, looking at your opponent and threatening to hit them in the fist with your face again.<br /><br />By the way, you still have to answer why living wage is a problem only now.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-53266399270412931812014-02-16T10:38:11.841-06:002014-02-16T10:38:11.841-06:00I know, things are looking pretty bleak fiscally, ...I know, things are looking pretty bleak fiscally, aren't they? <br />I would add the whole country is looking pretty weak in terms of job creation. But that doesn't seem to be the federal administrations top goal, other than stating it in speeches. Seems to me environmentalism, income re-distribution, and your soon to be healthcare via government trumps the goal to employ America every time.<br />Yeah, Billary, that's a scary thought on a sunday morning. I'd have to change my moniker from racist to misogynist. On an uplifting note, with a large enough donation you could buy yourself the opportunity to be the next ambassador to Libya. Don't worry though, she would keep a close eye on any threats to you!Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-88014061514637353272014-02-16T10:11:51.669-06:002014-02-16T10:11:51.669-06:00Good catch on the Delafield Dumbass being a member...Good catch on the Delafield Dumbass being a member of the MMAC. Those are Abele's and Walker's best buddies, and the real puppetmasters behind this absurd bill. And need we remind you that JournalComm's CEO Steven Smith is on the MMAC Board? The web is pretty clear to me.<br /><br /> By the way, the Dane County Dems passed a resolution condemning this bill, and the overriding of local control. I'd highly recommend the Milwaukee County Dems do the same, and tell Abele to get out if he doesn't like it. Jake formerly of the LPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15660401299391001751noreply@blogger.com