1. To the great pleasure of Kevin Binversie, The Florida Stand Your Ground law was successfully used again!
Kenneth Bailey Roop, 52, has been charged with second-degree murder for killing 30-year-old Nicholas Rainey.
A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop’s door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.
Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect” and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.
“I’m not going to give him the chance to do something to me,” he told police. “I was in fear.”
An off-duty Collier County sheriff’s deputy was nearby and heard the gunshots. When she arrived at Roop’s property, she found Rainey dying on the ground while Roop was in his garage reloading his handgun.
Yee Haw!!!! Good thing nothing like that could happen in WI!
These stories must warm Joel Kleefisch's heart up!!
2. As long as guns can continue to go without any reasonable controls, young children just need to be more careful!!
KIELER — An 8-year-old boy is dead after he was shot near Kieler.
The Grant County Sheriff's Office was notified Friday that a boy had been accidentally shot with a gun. The boy was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after deputies and emergency medical crews arrived.
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These things have been happening for so long, a lot of it goes so invisibly and it will take a long time, and much more local events to really make people come together for more discussion.
ReplyDelete"As long as it is not in my backyard" doctrine is the word of this state government, most notably in the case of those supporting the simplistic drive-through conservative constituency these days.
Here is something to consider for more information on the subjects.
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lrb/pubs/ttp/ttp-06-2011.pdf
Kieler is a hole, anyway. There's nothing out there, why should taxpayers care about the middle of nowhere? ;)
Look at that big waste of taxpayer money called a freeway to nowhere, aka, Platteville. ;)
Big waste of money making that freeway to Platteville, too bad the Republicans didn't have control of spending at that time. Could have saved the taxpayers some money.
DeleteI've never seen anyone kill 12 folk, injure 50+ more, in a matter of minutes with just their hands and feet.
ReplyDeleteOr a spoon.
DeleteWhy the big slam on Kieler and Platteville?
ReplyDeleteWho the **** are you to call Kieler a hole? You don't even know the people, do you? You must be one arrogant ****!!
ReplyDeleteBunch of liberal hippies in that corner and La Crosse, too.
DeleteYou're right guns don't kill people, people do. Just like cars don't kill people, drunk drivers do. We don't blame the car for working like it should when people drive drunk, why should we blame a weapon for people killing each other? Do you think that people don't deserve the right to defend themselves when faced with either a robber or a rapist? Or do you think that if someone is willing to go to such lengths that they should just be allowed to do what they want to do without any consequences? A massive majority of gun owners never commit crimes nor do they have dumb accidents. Focusing on those that do is foolish. For example "assault weapons" account for less than 2% of all gun crime in America but people are still trying to have them banned outright. Also keep in mind according the the brady bunch an "assault weapon" is any weapon made to look like a military weapon that is also semi automatic, that definition is inane and only matters to people who are afraid of guns through ignorance of how they work. I would gladly shoot anyone who enters my home without my permission and I'm sure my wife would support me. If you wouldn't do the same then how can you even say you care about your loved ones? Clearly criminals don't care about you or who matters to you if they show so little respect as to rob you so why should you care about what happens to them? .0000000125% of gun crime in this country is committed by people who can legally own a weapon, the rest are committed by those who acquired their weapon from less than legal means.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure your stats will bring comfort to the victims. Oh, wait, no they won't because they're dead!
DeleteWhat number of murders should we have before we should talk about this?
Your rights end when it costs people their right to life.
You don't need an assault rifle for anything put killing people. So what is the harm of controlling that?
Or where is the harm in having people go through a screening process? If that happened, there would be scores of people and their families in Aurora who would be much happier and much more alive today.
And would some training on how to safely handle and store weapons kill them? No, but the lack thereof surely is killing other people.
Duh, sometimes it is more than ONE attacker committing crime.
DeleteWith all the liberal crazies running around with weapons in their union mobs I want my 7.62MM armor-piercing FULL AUTO on my back, not some chincy pea-shooter.
Madison and Milwaukee have roving gangs that like to prey on easy targets, but not so easy if that target is dogding 600 rounds per minute of an RPK!
Not really, compared to gun death from actual violent intent there is a huge difference. You seem to forget that you are simultaneously arguing for the greater good and against it. The accidents and murders committed by people that go insane are far less compared to the murders committed by those who actually wanted to kill a fellow human being. Whether or not you choose to admit it the fact of the matter is that in the US we have a problem with violent crime to such a level that in certain areas the citizens who are just trying to live and raise families feel unsafe without having a weapon in the house. Just because you don't live in such a situation doesn't give you the right to tell those people how to live and go about their lives if it conflicts with your feelings on the matter. Many police advocate CCW because it not only makes their lives safer (areas that have enacted CCW laws have had a marked decrease in violent crime/police slayings), but also because they know they cant just teleport to you if something should go wrong. I understand that accidents happen and that is very sad, but to say that all guns are bad and only used for killing is extremely narrow minded and uncaring of your fellow human beings. And an "assault rifle" is very useful for bear hunting, moose hunting, and feral hog extermination. There are uses for semi automatic weapons and just because they look like military weapons doesn't mean they are internally nor should they be feared more than a regular weapon.
ReplyDeleteThere wouldn't be scores more people happier and alive today. The man went crazy a week before this happened because he failed his oral exams, they couldn't have tested for that with your magic sci fi tests to see if people will commit future crime. There is no way to regulate future mental breakdowns or general craziness if it isn't evident before they try to buy a weapon. This is because there is no way to accurately predict if that will happen to a person. I will say this again, I don't care about criminals who threaten the safety of myself or my family and nether should you.
DeleteAh yes, I was just thinking about what I could use to deal with all of the feral pigs running around the city.
DeleteY'know, I think the stats would show one is at greater risk of being shot than being attacked by a feral pig.
Just because of your need to compensate for some subconscious issue doesn't give you the right to endanger the lives of others.
And remember, every murderer was a law abiding citizen at one time. It only takes once to change that status.
As for your stats, they are unreliable, considering that most states keep CCW owners information private, so there is no telling how many shootings are by CCW users.
And actually, the Aurora shooter was planning it for months. But the weakened gun laws pushed by people like you allowed him to stockpile his arsenal in a relatively short order. Furthermore, he was receiving psychiatric services for much longer.
DeleteBasically, your argument does nothing but condone the killings.
If you are under 21, you can't carry.
DeleteThe 21 and under crowd will now be more victimized than ever since criminals know they can't legally conceal weapons to defend themselves.
Your right, I'm sure the DoJ has no idea, actually if you have access to EBSCO I can provide DoJ studies and where they get their numbers from for you. Actually feral hogs are a massive problem in the country and they have been recently introduced into the WI ecosystem around richland center. I go up there and shoot them on farmers property for them because I hate hogs for what they do to people land and they are tasty. No one is not at a greater risk for being shot by an assault weapon, rather its a risk of being shot by a handgun. Almost all gun crime is committed with handguns. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and all your arguments have focused on how you feel about the issue rather than facts. What subconscious issue would I be compensating for pray tell? Yes every murder was a law abiding citizen but the second they think that murder is okay for whatever reason makes them less then human in my mind. Criminals don't care about you, your rights or your safety.
ReplyDeleteAlso are you actually trying to say that people who receive counselling for their issues shouldn't be allowed to have weapons? If I have read things that are true he never gave any indication as to wanting to go on a rampage so how were people to know? In order to have your right to bear arms revoked you have to have been involuntarily committed to an institution not talk to a professional about your problems in life. You are now saying that people shouldn't have any personal responsibility and everyone should just defer good judgement skills in favor of someone else telling you what is right and wrong and how to act.
DeleteNo, I'm saying that people need to be screened, just like law enforcement officers are.
DeleteAnd what I AM saying, as opposed to the way you're trying to misrepresent my words, is that the NRA and people who actively work to weaken the gun laws are partially responsible for allowing situations to repeatedly occur.
The problem is apparent. The refusal to responsibly address it is sickening.
BTW, you're the one spouting unverified and unverifiable stats, conjuring the "criminal" straw man argument based on nothing but fear and paranoia, so you might not want to say I'm working on emotions.
DeleteI've worked throughout Milwaukee County for more than 25 years, in places you'd be afraid to go unarmed. I've spent lots of time in rural Central Wisconsin. In both situations, I've never felt the compulsion to wear a gun or felt afraid for my safety.
But then again, I have more powerful weapons. Respect for people and common sense.
As stated before, if you have access to EBSCO I can provide sources for my claims provided by the DoJ and numerous studies done by major universities for the government. My claims are not unverifiable rather you refuse to accept the fact that I can back them up.
DeleteAgain, given that state laws prevent the fact of whether a shooter is licensed or not, even from the police, your "stats" are unreliable.
DeleteHail WAlker!!!!@1!! hE will save us all@!!!1!
DeleteYou are latching onto one incident instead of looking at the whole issue, your feelings for the death of these people all at one time are eclipsing the greater problem. Almost every weekend in Chicago has this many people or more die for the past 6 months and they die from handguns that have been bought illegally but you aren't decrying that. Instead you are decrying one incident of a man who gave no outward indication of going off the handle like this over the greater issue of the violent nature of crime in this country. People have always acted violently its just that in times before this it wasn't as easy for anyone to kill people, rather the strongest, tallest and most powerful had a monopoly on force instead of anyone who owns a gun. I would rather have my wife have a gun and never need to use it over have a situation happen to here that gun could have made turn out better for her. I never once said that I want gun laws weakened you just felt I did. I think that current gun laws are inane and should be restructured to look at how crime with guns actually occurs instead of how it is now. People push gun laws that do nothing to combat the actual issue instead they base these laws on emotional appeals without looking at the greater picture.
ReplyDeleteGood Lord, just listen to yourself. Your arguments are so hypocritical, it's staggering.
DeleteYou're again using straw man arguments to try to validate your gun love.
And BTW, if you did do your research, you would have known that I have consistently called for more sensible, more responsible gun laws. Not taking guns away, mind you. I own weapons as well. Mostly for plunking varmints up north. But I never in a situation where I needed one, like most people.
Respect and common sense will get you, your wife and everyone else a lot farther than a gun ever could.
I am all for hunting but if you need a 100 bullet clip to hunt, please stay away from any woods in WI. Also would love to hear about the feral pig problem...
ReplyDeleteHis 100 round magazine jammed, if he had been using a 20 round he could have reloaded and continued very easily but instead because of the jam he threw the weapon away. Well just south of Richland Center there have been feral hogs released by a jackass and they, being feral hogs, have multiplied and are now starting to cause problems for farmers in the area. If you post in craigslist for the area I am sure you can get a few to respond and give you permission to go kill a few. A fully grown hog can destroy a lot of land everyday in its search for food. So everyone wins by you killing them, you get pork and a farmer gets crops. I am honestly not trying to be an ass about this issue but people really need to look at this objectively rather than focus on the problem of one individuals actions. These sorts of shootings don't happen often nor do they contribute a large enough percentage of overall crime to warrant such an outcry, instead of focusing on how awful this is look at the overall rates of murders committed by guns and then compare those with numbers of murders by people who legally owned their guns. The difference between the two is staggering.
DeleteYou never did answer my question. How many shootings have to happen before you admit it's not working? How many more people have to die?
DeleteWe need to start shooting feral cats, too.
DeleteAnd those darn wolves, they're everywhere!
Its not working because criminals have to respect for the law? How long will it take you to understand that basic fact? Crazy people going on rampages will never compare to criminals just doing their thing, ever. Also good for you that you have never need to defend yourself. That helps me knowing that living in Dallas got me mugged 3 times on my way back from work at night. Situational awareness helps but it doesn't solve every problem, you need to wake up and visit places that have crime before telling me it never happens. Also you tell someone who was raped by someone stronger and faster then they are that common sense and respect would have gotten them out of that situation.
DeleteOh, Milwaukee doesn't have crime now? Well, kudos to the police for that.
DeleteBTW, should we bring up Europe now, which has much more stringent gun laws and the entire continent has lower murder rates than some US cities?
Sure lets compared countries where they educate their masses very well and everyone has opportunity to us, where we keep our poor stupid. That comparison makes little sense because of the social constructs that exist in most European countries that make committing crime a very stupid option. Compared to here were there are people who are so poor and down and out that they think robbery or murder is the only way to get ahead in life. Britain is a good comparison to make if you discount violent crime committed with weapons other then guns. Look very little gun death in Britain, it must be working, but only if you ignore stabbings and beatings... Milwaukee's crime is very localized compared to cities that are larger. Are you honestly saying that Milwaukee can compare to LA, Dallas, or Houston in both rate and severity of crimes? Just because you don't see the need to defend yourself doesn't mean others should be disarmed based on your feelings.
DeleteOh, so Milwaukee isn't big enough to have crime? And BTW, I am frequently in the high crime areas because of my work. And I'm so glad that Europe doesn't have poor people.
DeleteSo why should my safety be jeopardized because of your insecurity?
And I'm still waiting for the answer to how many shootings have to happen before you admit it's not working.
I am still responding to your inane comment with criminals will always kill more and more often then the crazy person who goes on a rampage every few years. I don't jeopardize your safety at all. How obtuse do you have to be about this issue? You are afraid of citizens defending themselves over criminals who have no respect for the law or your rights. Well the poor are the cause of almost all violent crime i this country, if you want to improve everyone's lives you would go deal with that over legal gun ownership and making it harder for citizens to get armed. Are you still trying to say that Milwaukee compares to a larger city for crime? It has crime certainly but not on a level of a major city. Dallas alone has more poor people than Milwaukee has people living in the entire city. I will say this once more, the people that victimize the public by murdering, robbing and raping them DO NOT CARE ABOUT LAWS OR OTHERS RIGHTS AS HUMAN BEINGS, why should I care about their right to live if they think that they can commit violent crime? In fact it costs more to keep them alive in prison for their crimes then the cost of a single round and to bury them.
DeleteIn fact it costs more to keep them alive in prison for their crimes then the cost of a single round and to bury them.'
ReplyDeleteAll I can say to that is "Wow."
So you want to be judge, jury and executioner? Just like that guy in the post? Or the guy who killed the kid in West Bend?
And now, if you weren't so emotional, you could see why you frighten me as much, if not more, than your criminal bogeyman. What extent will you go to justify killing someone?
And yes, larger cities will have larger numbers. But I bet the percentages are bit more equal. Then again, we don't have the same kind of wild west paranoid thinking they do in Texas.
Oh, and look up what percentage of your "criminals" actually have mental illnesses as well. Should we just start shooting people because they are mentally ill? Is that what you're getting at?
Are you willing to take the risk of your or your families safety when it comes to someone who doesnt care enough about their own self to harm you? You are worried about the wrong subgroup of society. Are you seriously telling me that most crime is committed by people who are too mentally ill to realize what they are doing? My emotions on the issue are not clouding my judgement in the least, your illogical fear of your fellow law abiding citizens over people who demonstrate that they don't care about you is amazingly silly. I would have shot the random person in my 3 seasons porch at 2am without my permission yes, better safe then sorry but he shouldn't have been there. In your magic world we have the ability to diagnose future crime due to mental illness right? Or would you rather just take away the rights of anyone who goes to a professional because they want help dealing with their issues.
DeleteI was just coming to visit my aunt, but I was on the wrong street, got in later than expected on my long trip across the country.
DeleteI entered what I thought was aunties house, but BAM! Out of nowhere, this white guy opens up on me like I was a black guy or something with his gun.
Amen for his peace of mind, though! Accidents happen.
You're the one actually saying it would be best to shoot and kill people so yes, I find that very alarming. Your willingness to kill automatically makes you the more immediate threat.
ReplyDeleteHow far are you willing to go to justify shooting someone?
And for the umpteenth time, how many shootings have to happen before you think it's a problem?
Okay, let me spell it out of you. Until they think of a way to prevent future crime your world will never happen. You cant reliably tell if people will go crazy to justify making laws that only hamper the general public. How does my willingness to protect the lives of my family and myself make me a larger threat than someone who willingly commits crime? Why are you so afraid of someone who practices responsible gun ownership over someone who willingly threatens others and views his fellow man as nothing more as a mean to an ends.
ReplyDeleteYou're already nervous, that's why you are dangerous.
DeleteDefine responsible gun ownership, please.
You had the ability to open carry well before Walker came to town, why are you only now worried about it?
You, derpity, with your vigilante-view, your pitchfork-carrying, scapegoat-seeking persona is already on edge viewing EVERYONE as a possible criminal.
As you go about your day, do you use your expert profiling skills at determining every variable threat level of every person in every situation?
How much of a threat warrants you the right to shoot?
Will you be fast and decisive enough to stop an aggressor?
Will you be too slow and become a victim of your own weapon? And you family a victim of you own weapon?
False senses of security are the biggest flaws in this entire issue.
The dangerous people are the ones who will flip out with their shaky nervous hands peeing their pants as they blindly fire at their perceived threat.
Stating that you think it's best to kill people you think might be about to commit a crime because it's cheaper than allowing them their rights is hardly responsible.
ReplyDeleteWhat you're assuming of others is actually the very thing you're doing.
What am I assuming others are doing? I make the assumption that if you are in my home without my permission or threatening my safety or my family's safety that I may be armed and willing to defend my rights. You are being naive if you think this issue ends at someone may die, this issue arose out of someone's willingness to put their life and the lives of others on the line for short term gain at others expense. Their actions dictate that they don't deserve rights, threatening others with bodily harm isn't how a civilized member of society acts, its how animals act. If you don't understand that basic tenant of life then you shouldn't be surprised when you become a victim of someone who thinks of you as nothing more than a walking ATM machine that they just need force to make a withdrawal from.
DeleteFunny, that's what the murderer in Florida probably said.
DeleteYes, because getting your skull bashed against a side walk doesn't justify self defense. But wait, what did he do to deserve that? He asked someone who looked suspicious what he was doing then walked back to his car. Do you not care about physical evidence? Out of everything you have said nothing refuted at all my points nor did you even once bring up a single fact to support your argument.
DeleteHe shot and killed an innocent, unarmed man in cold blood, as evidenced by his shooting his victim a second time in the back of the head as he laid helpless on the ground! There is no justification of that!
DeleteAnd what points did you make? All I've seen from you are unverified numbers, fear talk and you're willingness to shoot people.
Skinny little black kid would have a tough time tackling a guy over twice his size.
DeleteStill, if some guy was following me around like that Georgie was....
Hi derpity!
ReplyDeleteNew to Blogger (July 2012!)? Or just another sock puppet?
Checked online and found an interesting poem. It has as much relevance as any of your comments.
Herpity Derpity
Herpity Derpity, sat on a wall
Oh where, oh where, will his penis fall?
He used to stand proud, he used to stand tall
But now he's flaccid, shriveled up and small
He's learned through the years to try and stay calm
Cuz any trigger makes it burn like a napalm
He can't have the talk, so the relationship stalls
So he's all by himself, growing hair on his palms
http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/messageforum/showthread.php?48950-Herpity-Derpity
Better be careful. Derpity might see you as a threat and shoot you.
DeleteHe won't even have the balls to come back and post more of his crap after being dissed like this.
DeleteWhere's ol' racist Mark, been?
DeleteAhh yes, you can't come up with a response to my facts and figures so you call me impotent. Seems like a logical thought process. As I state before Capper, if you have access to the EBSCO database I can provide you with all sorts of facts and figures. If you don't have access to the data base its 20$ per day to use. I am sure you just decided though to not read it when I stated multiple times I would be more than willing to provide a list of resources to back up my claims. Also trayvon was shot once, not multiple times. Get your facts right.
DeleteI am sick of this, these sources studies conducted by the DoJ or universities in the US about how CCW and having an armed citizenry actually makes life safer for those who follow the law.
DeleteCola, David Alan. "Number Of Police-Officer Killings Decline As Concealed-Carry Permits Rise." Human Events 65.43 (2009)
Fennell, Reginald. "Concealed Carry Weapon Permits: A Second Amendment Right Or A Recipe For Disaster On Our Nation's Campuses?." Journal Of American College Health 58.2 (2009): 99-100.
Lott, John R. More Guns, Less Crime. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, May 2010 (3rd ed.)
Barone, Michael. "Feeling Safe Isn't Safe." U.S. News & World Report 07 May 2007: 41
All of these sources support what I have been saying this entire time.
"so you call me impotent"
DeleteNo. Your comprehension is poor. Or maybe with all your EBSCO bullshit and questions didn't want to answer what I asked. Which was:
New to Blogger (July 2012!)? Or just another sock puppet?
Not that I always care much about who comments; but suddenly some name I don't remember comments 14 times before my question, and an additional three times already since I asked the question, which makes me wonder. Which is it, new to blogging or a sock puppet? Is the answer found on EBSCO?
Actually what happened was that I wanted to post as anon but I wasn't paying attention when it said I was posting with my google account. So I just put a random dumb name into the name field instead of my google account name. So turns out you are still wrong.
DeleteI wanted to post as anon but I wasn't paying attention when it said I was posting with my google account. So I just put a random dumb name into the name field instead of my google account name.
DeleteReally? That's how it works? Really?
So now that "random dumb name" has become a profile? Really?
fail
LMFAO
That is really your only contribution to this? Hurr he wasn't paying attention when he commented and then didn't care about the name he commented under...If you have anything useful or thought provoking to say say it, otherwise please stop posting asinine comments.
Delete"wasn't paying attention when he commented and then didn't care about the name he commented under.."
DeleteKeep digging.
By the way, have you ever posted here before under a different identity? Other than anonymous or today's 'accidental' "derpity"?
What is "Hurr he"?
Right, since you still don't understand what being constructive means I am leaving. You have nothing to add to this at all and Capper, even though he is a contributor to this blog, refuse to justify what he says or look at the provided facts. He is narrow minded about this issue and you anon are simply a moron with nothing to say other than poor attempts to troll. I have tried to explain my position using evidence and a level headed logical arguments only to be met on all levels with arguments based solely on emotional responses to a tragedy instead of factual based dialog. When I provided facts not only were they ignored the only counter argument to them was an utterly stupid series of posts about the name in which I posted under. This is a waste of any persons time who can think objectively about a given situation. This is horrible yes, but spree shootings account for a small fraction of total crime, it is ludicrous to make this such a big deal of this indecent when no one cares about crime in the ghetto this much.
DeleteAgain, for the umpteenth time, your studies are meaningless since there are many stats that don't release that data, thanks to the NRA. Secondly, your studies might be interesting if we knew who paid for them. Most likely the NRA or some other crackpot group.
DeleteAnd again, and I will keep asking until you answer, derpity, how many shootings have to happen before you deem it an issue? How many people must die?
Also, how far will you go to justify shooting someone? Because they gave you a mean look? Because they accidentally bumped you? Because they have the wrong skin color?
Oh, derpity, go cry into your tea. You offered nothing but propaganda and scare tactics. When the fallacy of your arguments were exposed with true facts and logic, you snivel that no one is playing your game.
DeleteAnd you continue to refuse to answer honest questions to you, lie about the murder which was the subject of this post, and tantrum when we prove to be too cognitive to fall for your wild tales.
I think derpity's explanation about how his profile appears on these comments is specious.
DeleteDon't let the door hit your behind on the way out.
Looking forward to the return of IMBAR tomorrow.
Derp the problem with your statistics, as Capper keeps pointing out, is they just arent reliable.
DeleteAre any of the stories I linked too, included in any of those stats??
I have no problem with ay of anyone owning guns, hunt anything you want even feral pigs. You have not convinced me on why anyone needs an automatic weapon and I still for the life of me dont understand why MOST people would need a handgun.
However that being said, i dont even mind if you have a handgun just dont have one around me and FOR SURE please never ever try and defend myself or anyone around me.
My biggest problem though with bills like CCW, is if your going to carry a gun you should also take responsibility of it. The whole castle law, stand your ground laws are strictly to wash peoples hands of blames who own guns and shoot someone. the guy felt threatened because he didnt like the steaks that the salesman was selling? so threatened he had to shoot him numerous times and o reload??
True, one side of the property line a guy can be judge, jury, executioner, of his castle.
DeleteYes, if police are held accountable for their actions, so should the common citizenry.
Remember that time we banned drugs and they all went away?
ReplyDeleteExactly.
DeleteNow if those REPUBLICANS would let the hippie liberals decriminalize some certain things, we wouldn't have people on K2 or some other "legal" synthetic eating other peoples flesh on their freaky trips.
Republicans are smokin' and you know it, they just want to make sure the black man and poor man can't get none.
They keep it all for themselves, they probably control the Mexican gangs at some level supplying the U.S.
Them Republicans are some crafty fers.
im sorry I missed where anyone was calling for a ban of guns.
ReplyDelete@derpity: The individuals you cite are all coming at this from a strong conservative slant. Davod Alan Coia is a conservative blogger. John Lott is a buddy of Grover Norquist. Really, perhaps you should find some non-biased pieces if you want to actually make a point.
ReplyDeletederpity is not nearly as fun as IMBR, nor anywhere as intelligent sounding.
ReplyDeleteNow, where is IMBR?