tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post426048771235180463..comments2023-11-03T03:52:37.873-05:00Comments on Cognitive Dissidence: Walkergate: Spinning Out Of ControlSomebody DO Something!http://www.blogger.com/profile/08717747685928127724noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-15650953951050763142012-04-22T01:58:20.846-05:002012-04-22T01:58:20.846-05:00Just thought I should mention, the one part missin...Just thought I should mention, the one part missing in this report. . . . Walkers campaign lawyers told him hes not a target of the John Doe investigation. His criminal attorneys are, as of yet silent on that issue. Semantics on Walkers part. A lot of people missed that part of what he said. I would really like to know what his criminal attorneys are saying. My gues is, you may need more help on this, hence 2 more criminal attnys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-18831471413771098112012-04-21T20:30:19.669-05:002012-04-21T20:30:19.669-05:00Y'know. I have been doing the same job for a ...Y'know. I have been doing the same job for a long time now. The same thing day after day for too many years. It all looks like a blurr to me. What happened in this year? What happened in that year? I don't know. I can't remember. I can't tell this year from that year anymore. <br /><br />Maybe Walker has been telling so many lies for so many years it is all just a big blurr to him to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-17519844473424610682012-04-21T19:36:36.220-05:002012-04-21T19:36:36.220-05:001) I'm speculating that Mr. Jensen refused pub...1) I'm speculating that Mr. Jensen refused public immunity because of the association between immunity and guilt. Wanting to avoid that association at all costs, he is likely advised to stay silent. As a result he is jailed for not cooperating (maybe held in contempt or for obstruction of justice - even though there were no formal charges).<br /><br />2) Mr. Jensen doesn't like being in jail and feels his lawyer's advice isn't very goods. He then agrees to meet with the DA, fires his lawyer, and gets a new one. This gets him out of jail and gives him, what he hopes, is better representation.<br /><br />3) One of his lawyers, likely his new one, negotiates a deal with the DA. The deal says that Jensen will 100% cooperate so long as a formal letter is released from the DA's office after all of the interviews are complete. He makes clear that Jensen doesn't want immunity, but he does want recognition that he is a free and innocent man.<br /><br />4) The DA then interviews Jensen, starting on 25JAN2012, and most likely finishes all of his questions sometime last week. As all of the questioning is done with no charges against Mr. Jensen, the DA releases the letter they had previously negotiated. At this point, Mr. Jensen can say he is not associated with any wrongdoing, doesn't have to answer any questions about immunity, and can point to his piece of paper saying he's a good dude.<br /><br />That is my opinion on why the letter was released. Now, why was it on DA letterhead?<br /><br />I'm guessing that during the testimony negotiations, the DA said, "We'll publish whatever letter you want so long as Mr. Jensen keeps talking. Just give us the text."<br /><br />Mr. Jensen's attorney writes up what he want's the letter convey, but does so in the first person. When the DA gets the text, the DA says to an intern, "Hey, put this on letterhead and send it back to the guy's attorney." The intern agrees, only glancing at the test. As the letter was written vague to begin with, a quick glance doesn't show anything odd. The intern prints out the document and send it back.<br /><br />Mr. Jensen's attorney gets the letter, sees the letterhead, and sees that it says what he wanted, not realizing the discrepancy. He sends it to Dan Bice and goes to bed.<br /><br />Today, after people with too much time on their hands get a chance to read the actual letter, they notice this oddity and nothing comes of it.<br /><br />That's what I think. I also think that, looking back at when the criminal complaints have been filed for the Walker Five, they all came out on Thursdays. Furthermore, this odd memo also came out on a Thursday. We can also infer that there is no more questioning of Mr. Jensen, which may mean that there is no more questioning, period. If that is the case, I'd say there is a good chance that, if any more charges do come out, they'd come out this coming Thursday, or the Thursday after (although, it may wait until 17MAY, as that this the Thursday after Darlene Wink is sentenced with her plea bargain).<br /><br />I'd also like to point out that Mr. Jensen is a past chairman of the Commercial Association of Realtors-Wisconsin. Gov. Walker's close friend, campaign adviser, and former Chief of Staff, Mr. James Villa, was also a chairman of the Commercial Association of Realtors-Wisconsin. We also found out that, via the Rindfleisch Transcripts, that Ms. Rindfleisch was working on realty related material while she was Deputy Chief of Staff, actually being asked by an unknown person, while she was in her formal capacity, if Mr. Villa could comment on apartment lease costs (even though Villa was no longer working for Walker). What does that mean? Who knows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-47203564886548876652012-04-21T18:57:12.403-05:002012-04-21T18:57:12.403-05:00Doesn't mention the word "immunity"....Doesn't mention the word "immunity"... but it amounts to exactly that.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-51291518232108405112012-04-20T18:58:56.526-05:002012-04-20T18:58:56.526-05:00Ah, correct you are, Capper. Let's translate:...Ah, correct you are, Capper. Let's translate:<br /><br />"He's asked me not to comment because it could make it more difficult for me."<br /><br />When indicted, that is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-10503215824053997432012-04-20T16:32:42.382-05:002012-04-20T16:32:42.382-05:00Let's see if we can guess Cappers take on this...Let's see if we can guess Cappers take on this. What we know:<br /><br />On or about 31OCT2011, Andrew Jensen, a commercial real estate broker and contributor to Scott Walker's campaign for governor, is offered immunity in the John Doe case in exchange for his testimony. He agrees, so long as the immunity is kept secret. As the DA cannot grant that request, Mr. Jensen appeals to the Appeals Court for such an order. <br /><br />On 02DEC2011, the Appeals Court rules that it cannot grant secret immunity and anybody getting immunity must make it public.<br /><br />On 12DEC2011, Andrew Jensen Jr., after refusing to take public immunity, is jailed for for not cooperating with the on-going John Doe investigation.<br /><br />On 13DEC2011, Mr. Jensen is released from jail. As a condition of his release, Jensen has been ordered to meet with officials in the Milwaukee County district attorney's office on Jan. 25.<br /><br />Between 14DEC20122 and 25JAN2012, Mr. Jensen fires his attorney, Patrick Schott, and hires a different attorney, Stephen Kravit.<br /><br />On 25JAN2012, Mr. Jensen presumably meets with the DA. His new attorney goes on to say that his client has "fully cooperated and has truthfully answered all of the investigators' questions."<br /><br />On 19APR2012, Mr. Jensen's attorney releases a statement saying, "The District Attorney's office has indicated that Mr. Jensen will not be charged and that clients of the Boerke Company will not be involving themselves in this matter as a result of their working relationship with Mr. Jensen or the Boerke Company." He goes on to say that they've been informed that "they are not targets in the nearly two-year probe". This message is sent on Milwaukee DA letterhead and states that the Milwaukee DA's office and the John Doe judge have approved of these statements. <br /><br />So, why was this letter released and why was it on DA letterhead?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-56213763902112055452012-04-20T13:09:57.906-05:002012-04-20T13:09:57.906-05:00And thanks, Squeeds. Welcome to the discussion!And thanks, Squeeds. Welcome to the discussion!capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-3416222848099869102012-04-20T13:09:20.982-05:002012-04-20T13:09:20.982-05:00My take on this will come early next week.My take on this will come early next week.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-48433987605337321632012-04-20T13:07:47.518-05:002012-04-20T13:07:47.518-05:00There is a difference between "cleared" ...There is a difference between "cleared" and "not a target". But, I agree that it seems odd that the DA would issue a statement on their letterhead that was written by the defense. Maybe the legal-folk on her can provide some advice? BTW long-time reader finally postingSqueedsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-36673129200537559082012-04-20T13:00:05.336-05:002012-04-20T13:00:05.336-05:00Did anybody notice that the memo released on Thurs...Did anybody notice that the memo released on Thursday, indicating the real estate mogul was clear, was written by his lawyer, but was on DA letterhead? The body was also all in quotes....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-75889861235140786152012-04-20T10:05:34.729-05:002012-04-20T10:05:34.729-05:00I know, but it is still starting to remind me of o...I know, but it is still starting to remind me of one of those crime novels where there is some sort of psychological game being played between the detective and the bad guy, but even in the stories that always seems a little far-fetched, so I am probably way out there on this one.<br /><br />But too bad if I am, this is what happens when you are not honest. People start to speculate and scrutinize your every word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-50528376156995470442012-04-20T10:04:19.125-05:002012-04-20T10:04:19.125-05:00OK, you know I'm gonna be stealing that, right...OK, you know I'm gonna be stealing that, right?capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-47257770297277196582012-04-20T10:00:47.534-05:002012-04-20T10:00:47.534-05:00Walker must have misremembered.
He feigns innocen...Walker must have misremembered.<br /><br />He feigns innocence and cooperation and help, as his surrogates attack the DA's office.<br /><br />Interesting factual position given that Walker will not make a public statement urging full cooperation by his current aides and full truth-telling by his former subordinates. <br /><br />Walker's framing and large-scale PR job relies on the press and dumbed-down broadcast TV News not asking too many questions, a realistic expectation.<br /><br />Here's a good line for Walker about his secretly run 2010 campaign and all aides charged with various felonies:<br /><br />"I will not place the blame on subordinates, on people whose zeal exceeded their judgment and who may have done wrong in a cause they deeply believed to be right. In any organization the man at the top must bear the responsibility. That responsibility, therefore, belongs in this office. I accept it."<br />- http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19730501&id=zS8gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vigEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6160,15517<br />Milwaukee Journal, May 1, 1973 (the gold ole' days)MALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503524741573516284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-2458252639733356172012-04-20T09:44:05.449-05:002012-04-20T09:44:05.449-05:00The trick is never to take what Walker says at fac...The trick is never to take what Walker says at face value. He says one thing but means another.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-43658740873836988012012-04-20T09:41:40.662-05:002012-04-20T09:41:40.662-05:00Possibly I am reading into this, but to me this ha...Possibly I am reading into this, but to me this has a different tone to it than things we have heard in the past:<br /><br /> "He specifically asked me not to comment, period. I don't think it's very qualified. He's asked me not to comment because it makes it difficult for him,"<br /><br />Sounds like he knows the guy and is empathizing. Or maybe it is the high priced lawyers telling him to sound "nicer". Or maybe he is innocent and does want to cooperate as much as he can and is telling the press to back off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-86485949752970460742012-04-20T09:33:09.972-05:002012-04-20T09:33:09.972-05:00Beautiful job on this.Beautiful job on this.Mpetersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399880071535547324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-35220949723235902552012-04-20T09:16:12.189-05:002012-04-20T09:16:12.189-05:00I wish they'd just arrest him and get it over ...I wish they'd just arrest him and get it over with.Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16757781733169790494noreply@blogger.com