tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post6202563078882626075..comments2023-11-03T03:52:37.873-05:00Comments on Cognitive Dissidence: The Single Issue in This Election - Health Care! Somebody DO Something!http://www.blogger.com/profile/08717747685928127724noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-85833830184926468562012-10-29T23:56:02.932-05:002012-10-29T23:56:02.932-05:00do you really think choosing between eating during...do you really think choosing between eating during themonth and health care is a choice?Jeff Simpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12118335402641807712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-66684277570306453002012-10-29T11:52:03.729-05:002012-10-29T11:52:03.729-05:00We all make choices. All choices have consequences...We all make choices. All choices have consequences. The difference between an adult and a juvenile is that the adult accepts the responsibility, and the costs, of his choices while the juvenile seeks to transfer the blame, and the costs, to someone else. If anyone has no health insurance because he chose to not pay for it, and he undergoes healthcare services for which he is not required to pay, then it is, as Ayn Rand was fond to ask, at whose expense? And what is the moral justification for it?JFMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058689961057108954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-71331261869672747822012-10-20T17:12:56.047-05:002012-10-20T17:12:56.047-05:00I bar, usually I don't jump in the fray attac...I bar, usually I don't jump in the fray attacking you, but now your just being dishonest. Starting with the fact that obamare, Is based almost exactly on romneycare and the individual mandate is a brainchild of the heritage foundation and fully supported by mitt and tommy at one point. Add the fact that it took 14 months to pass and republicAns helped write much of it including chick grassley and Susan Collins who after getting parts written specifically for them, proceeded to vote against it. <br /><br /> It's funny because like here in wi the repubs stack the deck then pretend they have a mandate and want to take 100 % control and completely dismiss anything the dems have to say. That then leads to massive lawsuits costing the taxpayers millions showing what we all knew to begin with. That the repubs only bills are usually unconstitutional. <br /><br /><br />It's hard to work with the dems when your being controlled by Alec.<br />Jeff simpsonhttp://www.cognidissidence.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-51609154479442158652012-10-20T15:06:27.090-05:002012-10-20T15:06:27.090-05:00Again, you'd be surprised by what you would le...Again, you'd be surprised by what you would learn if you would only move on beyond Faux Newz and squawk radio. But then again, you're probably scared to find out that your own skewed reality is not true.<br /><br />Are you saying that the final form of the Affordable Healthcare Act is the same as the original? That the Republicans did not have any parts of it cut out or modified? Either your a fool or a liar. Which one?capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-68984983250465294632012-10-20T14:19:47.851-05:002012-10-20T14:19:47.851-05:00Ahh yes, It's too bad we can't be more lik...Ahh yes, It's too bad we can't be more like Illinois or California. Because your perceived problems we face here are far worse than theirs. <br />Schools falling apart, higher taxes....thanks for the laugh. I'm assuming that is more of your sattire.<br /><br />The final vote tally for the Senate version of President Obama's health care reform legislation in the House was 219-212, with 34 Democrats joining all Republicans in opposition. Seems odd if the republicans did influence it in any way. Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-40896440660200548232012-10-20T11:12:51.130-05:002012-10-20T11:12:51.130-05:00The Republicans did have an input on the healthcar...The Republicans did have an input on the healthcare reform. That is why it's only partially as good as it should be. <br /><br />As for if the Republicans have free rein, all we have to do is look at Wisconsin. Schools falling apart, poisoned water wells, higher taxes, people dying from neglect. Yes, absolutely brilliant thought there. Stop listening to Faux News and squawk radio and wake up to reality, cupcake.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-14494879392898978912012-10-20T09:31:40.750-05:002012-10-20T09:31:40.750-05:00Well, I feel much better now that I have your guar...Well, I feel much better now that I have your guarantee it won't tank the economy and ruin the quality of health care that we have now. And yes, Meg, it would decrease my out of pocket expenses as well. But like the old saying goes, there's no such thing as free lunch.<br />You might be right. The way things look these days this may be a moot argument anyway. In Fact, the republicans may get their chance to reform health care without any input from democrats just like the they did without input from republicans. <br />Jeff, would you agree that would be "chipping away at democracy"?Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-31710582896640433882012-10-20T03:18:13.775-05:002012-10-20T03:18:13.775-05:00It benefits everyone, which is why you are opposed...It benefits everyone, which is why you are opposed to it. Some people just aren't worthy, amirite?capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-10906693266234347942012-10-20T03:17:32.000-05:002012-10-20T03:17:32.000-05:00But it won't, so that's a moot argument.But it won't, so that's a moot argument.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-48014958971434324652012-10-20T00:16:07.064-05:002012-10-20T00:16:07.064-05:00I stand corrected, if it benefits you how can it b...I stand corrected, if it benefits you how can it be bad. Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-20064732242136016762012-10-20T00:10:54.123-05:002012-10-20T00:10:54.123-05:00"even if it bankrupts this country, Dammit&qu..."even if it bankrupts this country, Dammit"<br />Just had to finish that last paragraph for you. <br />If and when it does recess the economy even worse, will it be Bush's fault?Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-38711356724808466772012-10-19T21:57:09.887-05:002012-10-19T21:57:09.887-05:00IMBAR,
You lost any shred of respect that I may h...IMBAR,<br /><br />You lost any shred of respect that I may have had for you as a person when you came up with this shit: <br /><br /><i>We are still free to choose between health care or food on the table.</i><br /><br />What you're saying is we have a choice on the method of our death under the current system. Then you go whining about your inferred death panels. We have that already you greedy little sniveling bastard. But it's not bureaucrats making the decisions now, but greedy CEOs. Where's the win in that? Sorry, Grandma, you gotta die because I want a new yacht. Real nice argument you got there. Idiot.<br /><br />But you are right on one thing. Obama won't make you choose how to die, since it will allow people to have their health care and food at the same time. capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-13410632488733099732012-10-19T20:49:29.209-05:002012-10-19T20:49:29.209-05:00Costs us all? Are we talking dollars or risk? Tell...Costs us all? Are we talking dollars or risk? Tell me, do you think it will be cheaper, or less people will die when it is in effect?<br />Do you fear that the government will then decide who lives and who dies using a formula to estimate cost versus benefit of saving your life?<br />And what happens when all these people lose their full time jobs in favor of part time, because $10,000 per employee would bankrupt their company in this economy. And are required by the government to buy their own insurance?<br /><br />Staying on topic, this law makes upward mobility harder in favor of fairness. <br /><br />Socialism seems to be democrats goal, not democracy.Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-47461286589031839072012-10-19T12:07:16.622-05:002012-10-19T12:07:16.622-05:00Here's what's funny! My boyfriend works in...Here's what's funny! My boyfriend works in manufacturing. Last week they had an employee meeting on the changes to their health insurance BECAUSE of Obamacare. All the changes were positive. My boyfriend came home elated at all the great stuff that they now had. Even his most conservative of coworkers are elated about it. Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06479572178002728418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-28916090757749022672012-10-19T10:28:24.739-05:002012-10-19T10:28:24.739-05:00I understand now what it costs us all, do you?
...I understand now what it costs us all, do you? <br /><br />Although I am not sure you understand that if your choice is food on the table or health care you have no choice???<br /><br />We also really do not have that upward mobility that we used to have. <br /><br />Also not sure how demscracy has been chipped away at by the dems! Jeff Simpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12118335402641807712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-88807657501734479882012-10-19T09:15:15.634-05:002012-10-19T09:15:15.634-05:00the new system is on the backs of business. $10,00...the new system is on the backs of business. $10,000 per employee if an approved insurance plan is not offered, which of course would cost more than that. Do you understand what that will do to the cost of goods and services? To the unemployment rate?<br />We are still free to choose between health care or food on the table. Under Obamacare we are not. Whether you think its a good choice or not, its still a choice. <br />"Here", we still have more opportunity for an individual to succeed than most other countries. We are still the model for democracy. But the left is effectively chipping away at that.<br /><br />Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-21249774195210752722012-10-19T08:28:13.797-05:002012-10-19T08:28:13.797-05:00By saying that I concede that our system is flawed...By saying that I concede that our system is flawed, so if it makes you feel better to revel in that, write on.<br />But you seem to want to ignore that the new system is equally as flawed.Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-21920213255596801952012-10-19T07:40:24.991-05:002012-10-19T07:40:24.991-05:00Its foolish to argue that we need reform in our he...<i>Its foolish to argue that we need reform in our health care system.</i><br /><br />Yes, because hundreds of millions without any health care and hundreds of millions more unable to afford to use their healthcare is such a viable thing. After all, only the rich have a right to health and life, right?<br /><br />Sometimes, one gets comments that are too stupid to mock.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-74051339248943209122012-10-19T07:36:55.413-05:002012-10-19T07:36:55.413-05:001. NO I absolutely do not want healthcare on the ...1. NO I absolutely do not want healthcare on the backs of businesses. I want a single payer health care system like the rest of the civilized world. However until we get there, Obamacare is the best thing we have had in our lifetime. It is a watered down slightly better system than we have now that covers millions more than before and it took tremendous courage and conviction to pass, so what does that say about passing anything that actually needs to be done. <br /><br />2. Please define "freedom of choice that we still have" for me. Would also like to know what you mean by "here" in the phrase economic system that got us here. Jeff Simpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12118335402641807712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-5276300861065306492012-10-19T07:34:44.816-05:002012-10-19T07:34:44.816-05:00Employers shouldnt carry the weight of healthcare....Employers shouldnt carry the weight of healthcare.cradle to grave care- medicare for all.not "free"...we all pay in.www.citizen.orgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-89781164174525258692012-10-19T06:34:21.817-05:002012-10-19T06:34:21.817-05:00Its foolish to argue that we need reform in our he...Its foolish to argue that we need reform in our health care system. But I have heard first hand from 3 business owners, one with employees numbering in the hundreds that Obamacare will drastically change the way they do business. Similar to those reports we all have heard of business owners warning their employees of the consequences of another term. <br />You want more jobs, and want healthcare on the backs of the job providers? In an Obama recovery? Your clueless. We can only hope for a president who doesn't despise the freedom of choice that we still have, as well as the economic system that got us here.Imustberacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980736361844115046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-61960798899130602852012-10-18T22:37:55.697-05:002012-10-18T22:37:55.697-05:00Exactly. I too wont go to doctor cuz my deductible...Exactly. I too wont go to doctor cuz my deductible is 6k! Many "affordable" policies have 10k deducts! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-10746045308016354722012-10-18T13:26:42.017-05:002012-10-18T13:26:42.017-05:00The direct result of high deductible plans and HSA...The direct result of high deductible plans and HSAs is that invividuals will not go to the doctor when they should because every healthcare expense is out-of-pocket. They will be treated later than they would have otherwise, that treatment will invariably be exponentially more expensive, and our nation's healthcare costs will rise even further. This is a no brainer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com